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Controversial subjects. The theories expressed are not the only possible interpretation.

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The viewers invited to make a judgment based on all available information.

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Tonight on Cytics, a psychic shocks police with visions that lead them to the body of a slain child.

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After five minutes with her, she had a hundred percent of my attention.

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Now can she find the murderer? Then, starting videotape evidence may prove a monster lurks

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in Lake Champlain. We took the camp quarter out and then champed. Or several champs. We're back again.

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Welcome to Cytics. I'm Tim White. Many psychic detectives claim a high success rate in solving

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crimes. There are now a number of cases where police can actually admit that they've been helped

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by a psychic. One such case occurred in 1979 when psychic detective Kathleen Ray helped police

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find the body of a little girl who'd been murdered. The Cytics has asked Kathleen Ray to return to

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the scene of the crime to see if she can now identify the murderer.

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Fresno, in the heart of California's fertile central valley. It's a place where you can still

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find tranquil family farms. But it's also a place where tragedy has struck. On February 3rd, 1979,

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eight-year-old Victoria de Santiago, her sister Eva, and their dog all vanished.

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What really happened that day is still just speculation. The girls were last seen together

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at a neighborhood store. The counterman said that he remembers the girls coming in and he

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told them to go out because they couldn't bring the dog in. They may have been abducted outside.

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What we figured is that perhaps whoever this individual was was there in the parking lot.

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Perhaps a stranger grabbed the girl's dog and used him to lure Victoria and Eva into his car.

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One day later, three-year-old Eva was found. Victoria and her dog were still missing.

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She was a very beautiful little girl. She was always very protective of her sister. She said that

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her sister told the man to to let her go and that she would stay and just to let her not

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hurt her sister and to let her go. I just always remember that. So from that I know that she was

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a very good person. The police exhausted all leads. Days then weeks passed with no new clues.

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No witnesses came forward. In my sleep I was dreaming about what can I do? What other avenues

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can I go? And it came to me in the dream. I mean I sat right up and her name was Kathleen Ray.

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Kathleen Ray is a psychic detective. She uses the powers of her mind to help law enforcement

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solve crimes. She claims she can see missing children, bodies, criminals and for the past 20

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years she's been remarkably accurate. Kathleen Ray has gained a reputation for accuracy even among

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skeptics. Intuition is something that everybody has and the intuitive sense is a sense of feeling

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but these feelings are something I've educated like you've educated your other senses to where I

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can use them more fully. Despite skepticism from the police the DeSatiago family asked

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that Kathleen helped find Victoria. When there's only a light shining out of total darkness

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you're going to walk towards that light whether it's the wrong way the right way

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it doesn't matter. It's a direction. I was told that a psychic was being brought in and I was going

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to fly to San Jose to meet this psychic and I thought I'm going to fly up there and I'm going

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to meet this lady wearing gypsy clothes. She's going to take me in this house we're going to burn

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some incense we're going to rattle some bones she's going to throw some dust around in the air and

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tell me something that's totally irrelevant to the case. I am not doing what you see in these

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great what I call horror movies. I don't suddenly grab my head and fall down and say oh they hit me

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in the head or oh this poor poor person's been stabbed. I don't do that I'm more like an objective

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bystander. The psychic part of this was just way off it didn't make sense to me how somebody 180

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miles from here is going to tell me how to find a body in my town. It's really taking feelings up

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and bringing a whole picture and holding that picture long enough just like going to a movie

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or turn on the TV on and see the picture of your face. I didn't believe it but after five minutes

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with her she told me enough stuff that she had a hundred percent of my attention I was believing in

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her. It was the beginning of an unlikely partnership the sergeant the psychic and the family. All I could

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think of asking her was you know did she did she have to go through a lot of pain. I felt that

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Victoria at this point was still barely alive just barely. The family hoped that they weren't too

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late that Victoria was still alive and Catalan could lead them to her. She told me the road she

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was on was not a well-traveled road. I saw this plowed field I knew the field had just been plowed.

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They said she's laying parallel to the road I feel she's laying parallel to the road with her face

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towards the road. I'll see the bushes the trees the poultry farm. Kay said that when I found the

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body there would be chickens she said I get chickens around the body chickens chickens chickens.

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There has to be a farmer whose name starts with an S there has to be a street that starts with an L

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there has to be a windmill. After my interview with Kay as I was walking out the door and I'll

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never forget this she stopped me she grabbed my arm and she said Tim find the dog and you'll find

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Victoria. Back in Fresno pursuing conventional leads Sergeant McFadden's partner Detective

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Popejoy found the dog. Detective Popejoy was at the house where the dog was found he verified it

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was the dog so I asked Detective Popejoy I said well are there chickens out there. So I asked the

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rancher the farmer and I said is there a poultry ranch here. He said yes just south of here about

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a quarter of a mile there's a abandoned poultry ranch. Detective Popejoy he came he got the

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call on the dog and he came out here and talked to the farmer that found the dog and he found it

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down here a little ways and brought it back to this house and when I was talking to him on the

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phone he said there wasn't a windmill. It was a situation that I'll never forget as long as I live

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was him on the phone to me and we are talking about this windmill and I'm telling him there's no

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windmill here and the man the landowner standing behind me said oh yeah you just walked by one

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it's in the front yard. As I'm telling him things that should be there and he's confirming these back

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to me that Kay said would be there I'm getting higher and higher and wow wow we are this gal is

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this gal does know what she's talking about. We immediately called for officers to respond

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and it was from him telling me what she saw 145 miles away. The police dispatched a search team

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that had been briefed on Kathlyn's psychic visions. The L they were on Leonard Street. The S it was on

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the mailbox the first letter of the farmer's last name and by the side of the road they found Victoria.

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Her naked body was in an irrigation ditch under the largest tree in the area all as Kathlyn had

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described. Victoria had been sexually assaulted then left to die. She had been killed like an animal

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and she was still alive in a coma suffering right there in the in the little trench

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and Kathlyn Ray found that as she described it to the team. After the body was discovered Kathlyn

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returned to her home in San Jose and the police continued to search for Victoria's killer but

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13 years later the murderer is still at large. Sightings has brought Kathlyn Ray back to Fresno

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back to the place where Victoria's body was found to get new psychic impressions.

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When I go to the man that did this he has stubby hands and their hands are by labor. I don't feel

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like he's here anymore. I want to go further south to a town start with an S and that he's working

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down there now. This man is not very tall I would say oh maybe five foot nine. I feel this man has

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killed another child since then. There is a wife or a girlfriend he goes back to at times and I feel

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like it's probably a wife and he's not with her all the time and she's frightened of him. I know she

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knows he's violent he's a he can be a very violent person and had we had a drawing of him like he

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can do now with the police artist she'd recognize him on television. If you believe Kathlyn Ray

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this is a charcoal drawing of Victoria to Santiago's murderer. He killed Victoria and Kathlyn believes

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another child since then and he's still out there. I believe there's it could be solved.

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Somebody out there somebody somewhere has got to know more about this but they've never come forward.

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Although Kathlyn's work in this case proved to be extremely accurate cases like this are the exception

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not the rule and the use of psychics in police investigations is still not accepted by many

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departments around the country. Kathlyn Ray's case was one of those cases and the hits were so

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specific and the data checked out all the way down the line from the reporters to the psyches

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themselves to the families of the victims to the police. It was rather unnerving. But for the

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DeSantiago family a psychic detective made a difference. The discovery of their daughter 13

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years ago has brought the family a small measure of peace. Thank you God. Thank you for finding

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Toria's body. Thank you for giving me Kathlyn Ray. And now they hope her vision of the killer

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will bring the case to a close. My only release of mental anguish is to say something positive.

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Warn people. Look at they're not just going to steal your car. They're going to steal your child.

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Is this the face of a murderer? Kathlyn Ray sees him in her mind's eye when she thinks of

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Victoria. If you have additional information about this crime please contact the Fresno Police Department.

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Despite the good work of psychic detectives like Kathlyn Ray there are unscrupulous people posing

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as psychics who pray at unsuspecting families. How do you protect yourself? Well experts suggest

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that you follow all recommendations of the police and if you do contact psychics thoroughly check

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out their references. Make sure they don't have criminal records and never give them money up front.

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Recently sightings half a world apart have renewed interest in the possibility that lake monsters

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are real. At Loch Ness in Scotland Operation Deep Scan tracked a large creature through the

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water for more than two miles. At Lake Champlain in New York State a sightings crew has been monitoring

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strange lake activity reported by dozens of credible eyewitnesses. It's hard to imagine

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but the natural serenity of Lake Champlain is being disturbed. Disturbed by a monster

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reportedly lurking just below the surface of the lake. Sightings of a long serpent-like creature

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have been reported for nearly 300 years. A pioneers powder horn dated September 29th 1700

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bears the earliest recorded image of the Lake Champlain monster. Sightings have continued to the

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present day but aren't often discussed in public. Probably 99% of the people have seen it but they

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won't talk about it because you do get some ridicule. Lake Champlain is located on the border

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between New York and Vermont extending northward into Quebec province in Canada. The locals have

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affectionately dubbed the monster champ but there is surprisingly little publicity or commercialism

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associated with this sea serpent. Only now in the wake of new scientific information about the

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Loch Ness monster have eyewitnesses felt that they won't be ridiculed for coming forward.

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You could see underneath the water it was huge black matter it was just

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monster it was scary it was it was that big it was you could see it had a definite body

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shape to a body then you could see it definitely had a neck and a head then all of a sudden up

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out of this water came this big black thing I mean it was huge black and shiny and then it went

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away there wasn't a ripple or anything and I got the pictures of it just going under the water

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and you can see the little bumps two bumps I started as a disbeliever I went right on past

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being a believer into a knower it's four of us were out on the boat looking just taking an evening

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sail and it was at that point with no expectations of anything that we began to see some very strange

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things going on up came the neck and they had literally like my hand is doing it turned and

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it looked at me and it turned and it went right back down into the water we took the camp quarter

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out and then in fact champs or several champs were back again I started screaming in fear I found

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myself climbing on the canvas top of my bow which I know doesn't hold me that's how how scared I was

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at this point my wife and daughter spot one of the creatures out in the distance and I zoom in on it

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so that you can see it and there's you can see one of the humps sticking up out of the water

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there's two two in the middle is four one of the left out front is five in a row and now

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what we spot out there is some fins or flippers and you can see them flipping back and forth on the water

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I was in the canoe heading to the boat my daughter saw him she said dad there's something out there

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and I looked and there was champ you know this neck and head out of the water moving towards

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scott bonnet you see a creature with a long neck and it looks like a volkswagen's body when it when

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you first see it in the video it's floating across the water and then it stops and you and it starts

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thrashing in the water and you see a neck and head and then he swings his neck around and lifts his

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tail up his swings his entire body around and lifts his neck and head out of the water entirely

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my wife and I were on our way to a picnic and on the way I decided to pull over at a lookout point

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just to take some scenic view I noticed something out out in the distance about half mile out

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at first I thought it was a large tree stump it wasn't bobbing it was moving

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deliberately and all of a sudden I saw it like bend over snake like and dive into the water

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considering the varying locations of the sightings and the diversity of the witnesses

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among them a teacher a therapist a restaurant owner an engineer a corrections officer the

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possibility of a massive hoax is highly unlikely certainly residents here are not trying to cash

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in on the lake monsters notoriety there are no souvenir shops no public references to the creatures

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cited here champ quest is one notable research organization operating on the lake headed by

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denitz hall and his partner richard duel the sole purpose is to collect definitive evidence to

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prove the existence of the creatures we are already convinced that they are real we have to present

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this to the scientific community there are some very big specimens seen in the lake eyewitness

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descriptions the average size is 20 to 30 feet but there have been sightings where it was seen

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much larger there was a sighting this year on august 1st on the next point down a place called

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texaco beach and what we should do is look for some high mounds there may be a feeding area around here

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there's one right about here you're looking about 30 feet of water yeah i think you could

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make a dive today no problem let's go see if he's home all right a lot of people believe that there

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is one wretched creature that's been in the lake for a millennia and that's really absurd there would

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have to be a breeding colony to subsist this long despite numerous documented sightings few

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scientists can agree on what type of creature champ is likely to be theories range from a snake like

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zoobla don thought to be extinct for the last 20 million years to another extinct reptile the

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plesiosaur there's no geological evidence that the plesiosaws or anything like that survived

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beyond the crititious extinction 60 million years ago on the other hand the sealer canth was only

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discovered in in the in the late 1930s that fish and that had been extinct also for over 60 million

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years if it is a plesiosaur in loch ness and lake shamblain why would these creatures survive when

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so many others from those areas were extinct crocodile survived and they can get up to 20 feet or more

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various groups survived it's possible that in certain areas that that some species may have

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survived the extinction especially when we don't even we're not really certain as to what caused

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the extinction loch ness and lake shamblain are very similar geologically the deep glacial lakes

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that were at one time arms of the sea so one could say there were marine animals living in these

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open lakes and as the land growers they could have been sort of isolated and it's the same geology

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in both lakes one of the most compelling pieces of evidence supporting the plesiosaur theory

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is this recently discovered 1938 photograph of a bizarre carcass removed from a whale's stomach

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some experts have speculated that this could be the skeleton of a baby plesiosaur consumed at sea

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suggesting the plesiosaur like the sila canth may not really be extinct there may be all kinds of

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things there that we don't know about the thing about it is i think you have to keep an open mind

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and and see what what else comes up do monsters really exist or can these pictures be explained

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by existing natural phenomena like otters feeding fish or fallen logs eyewitnesses believe hold

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heartedly in the existence of champ but until indisputable evidence is brought to the scientific

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community the monster of lake shamblain will remain a mystery coming up next with the tragic

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fire at windsor castle has the british family's royal curse struck again the queen speaks out

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in a special update next

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recently on sightings we investigated a supposed curse placed on britain's royal family the curse

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dates back to the early 17th century when members of the aglabee clan in scotland were believed to

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have cast a spell on the queen mother's family and all her descendants the queen mother's ancestor

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the lord of gloms is rumored to have murdered several members of the aglabee family leading to

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a curse and perhaps centuries of doom and misfortune the story says that what he did was to give them

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shelter in a small room but then he closed them in and eventually that room was walled up and because

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they died a terrible death in recent weeks speculation about a royal curse has been increasing

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in great britain especially in light of a string of tragedies that have befallen the royal family

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prince charles and princess diana have now publicly admitted that their marriage has failed

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and shortly after the news of charles and diana's impending separation another tragic blow the royal

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family's ancestral residence windsor castle went up in flames the damage was extensive and increased

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pressure has been placed on the royal family to assume some of the financial burden for reconstruction

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of the castle has the right honorable gentleman ruled out contributions from the royal family

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and would he welcome such a contribution if it were offered even queen elizabeth has come forward

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to address her country's concerns in a rare display of emotion the queen publicly admitted

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that the royal family's problems are having a traumatic effect on the monarchy 1992 is not a

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year on which i shall look back with undiluted pleasure the words of one of my more sympathetic

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correspondence it has turned out to be an anus horribilis if the royal family is being plagued

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by a centuries old curse then it has come dangerously close to fulfilling its evil intent

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it was a curse after all that some say was meant to destroy the house of windsor and ultimately

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bring down the last great monarchy on earth will keep you updated in future editions of sightings

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if you've experienced what you believe to be paranormal activity in the form of ufo's ghosts

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or psychic experiences our sightings investigative team wants to know about it to report your

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sightings call 1900 740 site each call 75 cents a minute average call last two minutes and you

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must be 18 years or older on the next sightings does the ghostly victim of a brutal murder

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still haunt this country music hall our sightings investigators stalk the ghost of hell's gate

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then whether you believe in guardian angels or not don't miss the next sightings join us next

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time for new investigations into the unexplained for sightings i'm tim white

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this wednesday it's the only music awards program where you pick the winners michael jackson you too

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eddie murphy and more are scheduled to appear in the 1992 billboard music awards live this

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wednesday at eight seven central on fox now stay tuned for likely suspects

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you